Join Dr. Danielle and Aria in this thought-provoking episode as they explore why true health is much more than diet and exercise. They share personal stories of falling for extreme diets and gimmicks, such as the grapefruit and cottage cheese diet, and reflect on how societal pressures have shaped their views on health. Aria opens up about her journey from focusing on appearance to embracing strength and wellness for longevity, especially after becoming a mom. Together, they discuss the deeper connections between mindset, spiritual growth, and the sanctification process. If you’re ready to break free from diet culture and explore a holistic approach to health, this episode is for you!
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Welcome to the crying in my cheesecake podcast where we are in pursuit of living life abundantly not held back by our body’s size or symptoms, nor are we held back by our hurts, habits, or other obstacles in life. Learn the secrets to crush it in your health, wellness, relationships, and spiritual life. I am Dr.
Danielle. And I’m Aria. And we are your hosts and practitioners. And in this episode, we are going to dive into why health and wellness is more than just diet and exercise. Aria, I can’t even count the number of diets I’ve tried or even like before social media. Oh, let’s try the, um, what was the one I tried and I could not stand.
It was the grapefruit and cottage cheese diet.
Is that all you ate?
Yes, that’s all I ate. And like, Oh, I was so desperate.
I hear that, girl. I’ve tried some
crazy things too. Desperation, like, leads us to do insane things. Like, we don’t know. Like, all we know is we want a result, like we want this result and for me it was always trying to shrink myself because I was told I was, I was always told I was too big, I was too loud, I had too big of opinions, I was mean, I was all these things.
So. always trying to shrink. And in the 90s, in the early 90s, specifically, there was always an emphasis on belt size and women. And I’m like, I couldn’t even wear a dang belt. They didn’t make belts my size when I was a kid. And I, it was always, health was always what you looked like, right?
Yep. It was always like the outside picture.
Yes. Yes. It’s always the outside picture and the extreme, like the more extreme the diet was, the more you were prided on your, I don’t know, on, I don’t know, what is that? You’re, you were more prided on
Discipline?
Discipline.
Is that a good word? Yes.
Like you were more prided on that. Like, Yes. Um, so tell us what is the strangest thing that you have done Aria in the name of seeking health?
Okay. So I talk about this all the time when I was getting ready for, you know, my wedding, you know, how that whole term like shredding for your wedding. Yes. And all those little things they said, or whatever, bridal bootcamp, whatever. So, I did. Have you ever heard of this, um, popular celebrity trainer, Tracy Anderson?
Yes, sure
do! Yes! So, I was doing her workout program, and with her workout program, it’s called something transformation. I forgot, total transformation or something. Okay. She had a diet with it. And this diet was literally like a starvation diet and it’s like you’re just blending purees and eating like pureed carrots, chicken stock, plain chicken boiled in water so it was just like in the stock.
So disgu like you couldn’t even season it. It was I don’t even understand the purpose of this diet. I have to find the papers just to like resurface and look at this. But like, I don’t understand how any person with this kind of following could could successfully put out a program like this and no red flags come up.
Right?
I was literally eating like baby food. Well,
that’s insane. Like, baby food.
Baby food. And then on my honeymoon, I gained five pounds.
Because you were eating real food again.
Yes, exactly. And lots of it because, you know, we had an all inclusive resort, so we weren’t restricting anything. Right. Yeah, I don’t know what I was thinking.
It was thinking of desperation, and that’s how we’re sold.
In a certain way, right? Like, wanting to have that hourglass figure, and that fat tummy, and
whatever. Well, and my friend Sonia from Your Styled Collective, if you guys are not following her, you have got to go find her on Instagram, Your Styled Collective.
She is not paying me or telling me to talk about her. She’ll probably actually be surprised I’m sharing about her. Again. Um, she’s also got an episode, uh, further down the line on, um, here that I, she was a guest on and she talks about our body shape and sizes and how, like, I, I just assumed I was a box. I just assumed I was a box because I’m wider.
Whatever she taught us in my, in the wilderness of wellness, we had a retreat this summer of. June of 2024. We had our first annual retreat in person and she actually popped on. It was Sunday morning at 5 a. m. her time and she popped on and taught us how to find our body shapes and then not only how to find our body shapes, but then how to dress.
And so there were a few ladies that were brave enough to stand up and like, say, Hey, how would you help me? And she was able to do all of that virtually. And it was, it was beautiful, but I was thoroughly shocked at the end of the day. We were winding down, all of us ladies were sitting there and we went ahead and got sticky notes and did our body shape.
And I pulled away from the wall and I was like, Oh my gosh. I have an hour shaped body like, or an hourglass shaped body. And I was like, wait, what? Like, that made me feel confident because then I was like, all of the clothes that I feel good in accentuate that. Yes. And the clothes that like a, a inverted triangle, like my daughter is an inverted triangle right now just because she’s not hit puberty yet.
You know, she’s still growing, whatever. But that inverted triangle, those kinds of clothes, I think look cute. They never hit me right. They never, they made me look frumpy. They make me look, they don’t give me any, um, they don’t accentuate my legs. They don’t accentuate like my shoulders. And anyway, so thinking about the Tracy Anderson programs, thinking about the, um, Plyo and Shakeology, thinking about all of those, I’m not going to call them gimmicks, because I do believe Plyo and I do believe those things are good.
Any kind of movement is better than none. But when we are being belittled, for lack of better terms, down to eating baby food, when we are belittled into eating less than a dog eats, in caloric content, when we are eliminating full food groups, we’re probably needing to pay attention to that. And we’re probably needing to think, okay, this is very short term, this is breeding the diet culture in me, This is breeding a, uh, instant gratification.
That has been something on my mind lately. I, um, help lead a small, um, a small group of, it’s just literally three of us that meet for a book club on one Monday a month. And instant gratification has come up a lot. We as, as believers have to deny the flesh, right? We have to put off the flesh. What does that actually mean?
What is that, what does that look like? And how does this even tie into diet and exercise and all of that? Wanting to do the Tracy Anderson, wanting to do the shakes, wanting to eliminate full food groups, that is engaging or satisfying the flesh, the fleshly desires. That is a surface level response to a very eternal and internal.
I’m combining internal and, um, eternal, but it’s denying the innate intelligence. It’s denying something that is wrong inside that needs to be addressed. And oftentimes it is our mindset. And I was just telling, um, a friend of mine, um, I’m actually going to pull up the text messages because she was, she was talking about this friend who had passed away from a sudden, from a, uh, it was, uh, says that she died of a sudden massive heart attack.
And I said, Oh my goodness, how old was she? She was 64 and she died at home. And I said, how are you holding up? And, and this was the next question I had, what thoughts are going through your mind? And she says. I feel so bad for the family, like on one hand obviously it was quick and whatever, any, any loss is tragic, but sudden loss seems to make it worse.
But she said selfishly or humanly, I wondered how many more wake up calls I need to get my stuff together. And I said to her, I said, honestly, that’s a blessing.
Yeah.
That is a blessing for you to have this opportunity to even reflect and think about that. And I said, it’s been made aware to you that grief is here and it’s in that awareness that you are realizing you’re easily persuaded back to your old habits because it’s easier.
And old habits can also be turning to those fast diet exercise programs. old habits, old habits, like if we call ourselves followers of Jesus and I’m sitting here, I’m not preaching to, I’m preaching to myself too here. If I say I’m a follower of Jesus and I want to follow his sanctification process, I want to allow him to change and mold me and make me more holy as I get older and more mature in spirit.
I have to literally think about every single decision I make, every behavior, every habit, everything I have. in order to die to myself. You see, wellness is more than just diet and exercise. If someone comes to me, I used to be a nutrition coach and I am not. And when I say nutrition coach, I’m saying a macro nutrition coach.
All I knew were macros. I knew how to get you lean, maximizing your muscle. I still do. I still know how to maximize your muscle. Mass decreasing your fat mass and changing the shape of your body. There’s a very specific way you can even see when you are actually increasing or decreasing fat mass. The stomach comes up and in toward you.
But first that sides, um, your external obliques, your sides start to kind of cone in. Those are signs of actual fat loss happening. Not like saggy skin, not all of that. That’s actual, that’s weight loss. But what I’m saying is I had to die to myself with that because even being a macro nutrition coach, I was also engaging in instant gratification of my patients or clients at that time.
Yes, I was obviously doing disciple. Like I do, I do life coaching, discipling. I do all of that as well because that’s just who I am, but I was doing a disservice to them. We are more than macros. We’re more than calories. We’re more than um, diet, diet, the next dieting program, the next shiny ball, we’re more than just the next HIIT program.
We’re more than the next WOD. We’re more than that.
Aria, when did you wake up to realize or what was it that took you to a space that you woke up and realized that wellness is more than your food or a diet, I guess I should say, and exercise? Exercise.
Wow, that’s such a loaded question because I feel like this is a journey that we’re always on in a way like, you know, like as we get older and learn more and learn more about, you know, all of this, like our mindset shifts and changes and grows and develops.
But so I’d say it’s a journey that I’m still on, you know, I, I would be lying if I said that I had a perfect relationship with my body, right? Because it’s just not true. We all have things that we struggle with, and things that we would like to change. Um, but that being said, my mindset has shifted in, the things that I want to change are more for a health perspective, and not for aesthetics, and not for, um, you know, wanting to look a certain way.
It’s more so because I want to be strong. I want to be strong and healthy for my kids. You know, I don’t want to be an old person that, you know, falls and gets injured. Like, those kind of things. So, I think probably, Probably when I started having kids is kind of when my mind changed and I realized like more than just what I look like.
Like, yes, my body may not look like it did 10 years ago because I just had a baby or whatever, but there’s a reason for it. And there’s, there’s stages and seasons and each postpartum prenatal season, like I’ve learned, like it’s going to be different and my body’s going to change and grow and be different.
So I think Having kids really shifted my mindset because of how your body changes so much in that period of time as a woman. So yeah, I think probably around there is when I started. And then as As time goes on, I just try to remember more and more that, you know, what my body’s capable of, more so than what it looks like.
Because I think that that’s really, truly what we’re blessed to have, is all that our bodies can do. And yeah, just, just how much, like, just think about How God made us and how we can change and we can get stronger if we wanna be, you know, like, so I just think it’s incredible that we’re even have the ability to change our body and to sculpt it in what we want it to be.
And that doesn’t necessarily mean skinny, I mean, right. Whatever, , you know? And,
and that’s, and I love that, that, so I honestly, I can relate to that some. But for some listeners that may have been overweight their whole life like me, I see the scars on my body. Yeah. Um, I wrote a blog post. I don’t remember when it’s coming out.
It’s scheduled out, but, um, I wrote a blog post and I kind of hit on this. I see. So I’m one of those that had stretch marks and faded stretch marks by the time I was getting pregnant. So I didn’t get any stretch marks when I was pregnant because I’d already had them and my skin had already known how to stretch and, and all of that.
And I think about every time I take my shirt off, I see them every time they’re faded now there’s there’s no, I was fortunate I never had the purpling or the red you know I never had that, um, but they’re there, and I see them as battle wounds but I’m like, what was I really battling. It wasn’t my body that I’m battling.
My body was battling internalized trauma or internalized ways that I didn’t know how to express myself. Um, I was taught that food was love and that I had to clean my plate. Um, at the babysitters, I, I was taught to clean my plate at my home. I was taught to clean my plate because if I didn’t, I must not have liked the food, which means I must not love the person that made it.
One of my first words was pancake. Daddy pancake was one of my first sentences. I still love my dad’s pancakes. Don’t get me wrong. He does. He will go and get the gluten free bisquick. I know it’s not the best, you know, healthiest thing, but he will still go get the, um, even in stage four heart failure, he’ll go and get the, uh, bisquick and start making me some pancakes if I, when I go visit or whatever.
Um, but something that my dad noticed, oh my gosh, I am not going to get emotional. I am emotional. Something my dad noticed. does, he doesn’t speak up often about things, but he knows that I care about my health and that I don’t want to be like him. So instead of feeding me food now, my dad will make me a coffee.
He will make me a coffee and like, It will, it’s delicious, by the way, but he doesn’t put any sweeteners in it, anything like that, because he knows I like just plain old coffee, right? And he made, he, he prides himself on the lot, the cinnamon latte that he made me. And he put whipped cream, it was, it was in a, he actually went and got espresso, and he made me espresso, put some water, like hot water in it, so it was obviously an Americano.
He put cinnamon in it and some, um, coconut whipped cream and then sprinkled some cinnamon on top and it was delicious. But what was even more so is him acknowledging that I didn’t want fed, but he was able to nourish me in, you know what I mean? Like he was still able to show me in his way to show me love instead of that.
And I think that that’s something I wanted to hit on was that we put so much emphasis on food and exercise. It has to be this way. It has to look this way. When each of us is different. Each of us has different needs. Each of us has cultural backgrounds, like I am very Germanic and a lot of the foods I crave and a lot of the things I want are very Germanic.
And even when I was in England, um, the ladies were, the lady that we stayed with, um, at the B& B, her dad was a consulate and they were the sweetest people. Um, she was like, do you have English? Uh, heritage, and I’m like, yeah, a little bit. And she’s like, but I’m going to guess that you’re pretty Germanic. And I was like, yes, I’m, I said, I express most of my stuff in Germanic.
I look more German than I do English, all, anyway, all that to say, our backgrounds, our heritage, all that matters. And we need to be able to eat. It’s not, there’s no such thing as diet food. But wellness comes and wellness happens when we can have conversations with people and they can love us, not through food, but love us in order to nourish us.
I no longer, I even wrote about this in something too recently about, I don’t call, I don’t say I’m feeding my family anymore. I grew up in a farming country where people talked about feed all the time. Feed was for the livestock, feed was for the animals. I nourish my family. Even the way we talk about food has to be addressed.
The way we talk about exercise has to be addressed because the way we talk about it is based in the belief around. what it is. I just need to feed my family. And so you go through the drive thru and you’re spending, I can’t even imagine when a family of six would be paying, but I’m assuming like the last time, which was like five, six years ago that I went through the drive thru for a family of, I would say probably two kids meals and one, two adult meals.
It was like 50 some dollars. Can’t imagine what it is now.
Yeah. It’s crazy.
But wellness is not. A diet or diet food. Wellness is not being different. Wellness is also speaking up for your needs.
Changing the way you talk about things. Changing the way you talk about your body. Changing the way you think. Because if we’re talking about it, what passes through our lips is what we remember and what we believe.
What would you say to people who, because I know this is common for people, because I’ve even experienced this, people who may be trying to change their habits, right? And they go around family members and they get weird comments, like projections from family members because They feel self conscious about how they treat their bodies and how they feed themselves.
Yep. They project it onto you. Yeah. Like, what would be your best advice for someone going through that? Okay. The Danielle today
would say, I don’t want the liberal agenda controlling my body. The Danielle in the past. Would say I’m doing this for right now, because right now gives you an out.
Yeah,
that’s right.
And when you say I’m eating, I’m not eating that right now. That allows your body and your brain to start making that transformation of that’s no longer my identity. right now. And the best way to talk about it is, you know, food, the only time that we are, uh, ridiculed about our food is when we’re eating real food.
It’s when we’re, when we’re eating fake foods or processed foods or whatever the big food in the liberal agenda has for us. That is not, we don’t get ridiculed on that. We don’t get ridiculed on the next ice cream cone or having ice cream for dinner or having ice cream for a breakup or eating the Doritos.
We don’t, we don’t get ridiculed for that. But we get ridiculed for eating steak and potato and butter.
Yeah, for wanting to eat real food that you can identify.
Yes. And that our ancestors would eat. And I, like, I am, like, so yeah, the Danielle in the past, that’s how I used to say it. I’m not eating, I don’t, I don’t want that right now.
Or I’m not eating that right now. Or if I knew that I was going to show up to a place, this is also self responsibility. Um, so I was part of mops. Um, with my, with my kids, I just moved my desk, um, with my kids growing up and they had just terrible foods. Like it was just, I understand it was delicious foods, don’t get me wrong, but it was just, they were just poorly made.
I would bring my own food. So I still had the fellowship. I don’t care if someone is going to judge me for bringing. Bacon, eggs, and a piece of toast. Meanwhile, they’re having cake and desserts and, you know, all these other things, casseroles that are full of junk. If someone’s gonna judge me for that, that says more about them than it does me.
Yeah, I agree.
And I think we just need to get more confident and understand that rocking, if we are struggling and we’re thinking we’re going to rock the boat or cause someone to be uncomfortable, that’s called codependency. And we need to get access to codependent no more. Maybe get yourself to some therapy, not maybe, but get yourself to therapy and understand the root of why you don’t want to rock the boat at a, at a dang dinner table or why you don’t want to take care of yourself because someone else is going to feel a certain way.
I totally agree.
So that’s what I would say in lots of words and lots of Danielle words.
No, I agree. I just think that’s such a common thing for people who are kind of transitioning to this wellness space that they get really, I don’t know, self conscious about, I guess, like, but I just think it’s funny because it’s almost like reverse, like, yeah.
Right? Like you’re doing better for yourself, but people are making you feel bad. Like, why? Why did, why do we do this? I don’t.
And I have a lot of that when it comes to people moving from, uh, traditional medic medical care to like preventative care that I do. Yes. Um, their families don’t understand that And I understand I am not a traditional functional doctor.
I’m not a functional doctor. I am a naturopathic doctor, board certified now, because, you know, I gotta level up and make sure I’m held to higher standards. That’s how that goes. But people struggle with telling their family, I’m not going to a traditional doctor. Now, I do require my patients to have Um, a primary care physician on, you know, whatever, and I work really well.
I love working with, there are many primary care doctors I love working with because they are just, we, we communicate really well with all of that, but it’s, it’s interesting because just because you choose to do homeoprophylaxis, whatever, versus the traditional vaccines. Or, um, you know, if you choose not to get the COVID jab or versus the family that does.
And what’s funny is my cousin is all for The COVID vaccine, all of that. She was a masker. She’s very conservative in her, um, political beliefs, but still just kind of over there in that traditional thing. And it’s taken me realizing, we went on vacation, and there were like people hacking and gagging all over the plane on the way home.
It was bad enough that I like literally covered my face a few times, so I’m like, okay, this is getting out of hand. Like, someone walked on the plane with a whole box of tissues, and I’m like, are you kidding me? And they use the whole box of tissues for that seven hour flight home. Anyway, that’s a side.
I’m like, I’m praying. I’m like sitting there praying. I’m like, okay, God, I know. I know we’ve been doing my immune system. I know we got this figured out. She had a fever yesterday and I did not. She is sick and I am not.
Your cousin.
And the difference is. the way that I take care of my body as preventative.
I’m not saying my, my health is perfect cause it is definitely not. You can see on my body that it’s not perfect yet. Um, but my integrity of my gut and the way my body has learned to fight off things. has happened. And I did have a small sore throat, like a couple days, but I can’t tell if that’s just dry air, you know, from the airplane, whatever, but I was fine.
And I didn’t have a fever. I’m not sick. And I’m just like, that is a testament to, to the way that I do things, but also just talking to family about that. I think that is the hardest thing personally that I’ve had to help walk patients through is like, yeah, I’m, I’m doing this natural thing. But I want you to honor that.
And they don’t need, they don’t have to honor it. That’s the thing. Like, we don’t have to have, the people in our life don’t have to like our choices.
We don’t owe anything to them to make them happy, you know? Like, that’s the thing that I don’t get. Like, why do people get so up in arms about, you know, other people’s choices?
Like, it, it’s not affecting you.
Right. Right.
And I feel good. So, you know.
Yes. So with all of that said, if you are someone, a woman particularly, uh, who is just looking for your, for lack of better terms, tribe, like your community, women who are more conservative in their beliefs. I’m not saying you have to be conservative politically.
I’m just saying like more conservative in your beliefs, like wanting to take care of your own. And what I mean by that is that I want to take control of my health. I want to learn that self responsibility or self control. I want to learn how to take back control of my health from genetics, from big pharma, from big food.
I want to learn how to do all of that. That is a space that you can do in the Wilderness of Wellness. The Wilderness of Wellness, I have created for you a success path. It walks you through the mindset. It walks you through the healthy habits of healthy people. It walks you through getting over cycles and learning to take responsibility for yourself and living it out.
And I find that what was missing in my one to ones, what’s missing is that community. I cannot be On call 24 seven for everyone and I have to remember that I have to take care of myself. And you know, what’s cool the ladies inside the wilderness of wellness. Take care of me too. They are always checking in on me making sure that I’m taking care of myself because they consistently at least monthly.
Someone will say. I’m so proud of you for taking care of yourself this weekend for not answering messages, whatever, because we need you. That is the kind of community that we have built inside the Wilderness of Wellness. Aria, what do you think, what, what is something in the Wilderness of Wellness that is so different from even the things that you and I have done together?
Like, what is so different about that space?
I think just, well, like you said, the community is so great, but I think also, I don’t know, to me, it’s like more than community, it’s like, more than accountability because, I don’t know, I just feel like, what’s the word I’m trying to say, like, it’s like infectious, right?
Like, someone posts something, so I’ll give an example of something last week. So someone posted like their weekly meal planner, right? And then it’s like, you know, they’re very detailed telling you, Oh, this is what I’m eating this week. They’re honest about maybe what not may not be the best choice, but they’re explaining how they’re going to do it better.
You know, like they’re very open and honest, right? And then everyone just comes alongside that person and supports them. And then kind of, and the way I say it’s infectious is because then they’re sharing their meal plan, you know, and it’s just like, it’s collaborative, I guess. Yeah. Yes, it’s collaborative, you know, and that’s exactly it.
Everyone builds upon the other and kind of just supports each other and lifts each other up and so no one falls down because you know, if someone’s struggling someone will swoop in and You know, help take care of that person. So yes, it’s very collaborative and like a team.
Yes. And there is that accountability, like that’s the piece too.
Like that’s usually what’s missing from any, any program. You can go and find what macros to eat, what exercises best for your body. You can go, you can Google that all day long. Like I’m not giving you anything new. But what you’re missing is the spiritual direction, the accountability, the, um, the actual coaching that we give you, that Ari and I, and Laura is our social worker, that we can give you mindset wise, mental health, uh, nutrition, root cause support.
It’s all in there. And I think it’s, it’s interesting the relationships these ladies have put together, like have just, I could not have asked for better women, honestly, like. These women love Jesus. They love their spouse. They’re in different areas of their life, maybe married, maybe not, maybe widowed. Um, they’re either new moms or they are moms that now have grandkids.
And it’s this whole intergenerational community that, like you said, it’s like, The space of it’s more than community. It is that connection. It is that collaboration. It’s I can’t get my kid to sleep. We know what they’re giving advice on how to get their kids to sleep.
Someone’s always been through something someone else has.
So yes, they’re always, you know, like you said, they’re all stages of life. So Everyone’s able to support each other in different ways.
Yes, and there are new believers. There are not, there are non believers, people that have not yet surrendered themselves to Christ yet. There are people that, um, want to have healthier marriages and like, it’s just, it is the epitome of doing life together.
It is more than diet and exercise. Don’t get me wrong. We give you that, right? We give you those things, those tools, but it is doing life together with women that understand. They understand how big of a deal it is. You didn’t go through the drive thru, how big of a deal it is. You forgot to lay out to thaw the meat, and yet you still were creative enough to think of something else to nourish your body.
They are women who understand that just one more glass of water matters and no one else is going to care. But we do, we get so stinking stoked over it, like it’s, it’s exciting. Um, so if you are at all interested, you are welcome to look down in the show notes and grab that link and become an Explorer today.
We are going to, um, there are multiple levels inside the Wilderness of Wellness. And obviously the, the other levels, there’s the more coaching you get and the more support you get, um, throughout, but the Explorers is always open because when it’s time, when you’re like, yes. And you’re like, yes, I need something like that.
You need it now. You don’t need it to wait. We don’t want you to wait. We want you to start getting access to the support that you need right then and there. So head down to the show notes and find the link to join the wilderness of wellness. And we would love to welcome you and make a big deal over you.
When you join, don’t freak out. If we make a big deal over you, just accept it because we’re going to be excited over all of the things that you share with us. And you are going to learn how to celebrate you because many of us aren’t taught to celebrate. And I’m queen of that. I just, Oh, I passed that. I got a 97 percent of my boards, but let’s just move on to the next thing.
Um, I’m one of those people and I think it’s so important to celebrate us. It’s not the next best thing. It’s celebrating doing the non sexy work. Day in and day out, choosing the holy way, choosing the internal and eternal way. Alright, Aria, what else do you have for the, for our friends? I
think that’s it.
I think, you know, if, if you’re on the, even a bit, a little bit on the fence, I say just try it because you’re not going to miss out on anything. You’re going to, you’re going to be embraced with so much love and just, encouragement. So, and I know that everybody needs that, especially women, especially moms.
So if you feel any bit of doubt, you probably are in the right place.
Absolutely. All right, guys. Until next time.
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